Gnusman53

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2010 1:54:37 PM
Sadly, it has been the GOP fighting any of this....
They stalled changes in CAFE standards for more than 20 years......
They claimed that ANY car that was gas efficient..... was UNSAFE!!!!
When the GOP took over Congress in the early 90s, they made sure Clinton could do nothing to improve CAFE standards, cut emissions and pollution.... or even have an energy policy.....
After the oil shortages and embargoes of the Nixon era, the US imported gas efficient cars like the Ford Fiesta (I got as high as 50mpg). In the 80s and 90s, you could buy a Chevy/Geo/Suzuki Metro/Swift that got 45+ mpg and up to 58mpg with Metro YFI......
Under Bush II, they stopped importing those and replaced them with a car that got 15mpg less.....
For years, Chevy has been selling a car that the British list as more than 60mpg. And Ford has sold a diesel 7-passenger mini-van that gets 43mpg.
But not here.
Even when Bush & Company allowed the fuel prices to jump to more than $4.50 per gallon, the US carmakers did not import gas efficient vehicles. Chevy even announced it would not import a popular (almost 2 million in internet votes) mini car called the Beat (now the Spark) with the same size engines as the old Metros.......And that was when gasoline was still more than $3.60 per gallon.
With the new leadership, the Spark may be heading this way. I'll believe it when I see them on the road and in showrooms. They also need to sell the rest of the "Triplets" the Trax and the Groove. If you wonder what the Beat/Spark and Trax look like, they were the twins in Transformers sequel......
So the fact that high mileage cars are available is nothing new.... and the fact that American politicians have been fighting to keep them from Americans is also nothing new....
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SVmike

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California
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2010 10:54:22 AM
It is actually easy to make a car that gets 80 mpg. They just have two main drawbacks that make them hard to sell. They are expensive. They don't accelerate very fast. People who are willing to spend moderate amounts of money don't choose this type of car, in general.
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Luckylindy

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Milwaukee
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2010 5:22:03 AM
Okeven if you didn't use all those features, just some of the cheaper ones. You could produce a car that gets really good mileage that people really want. Why not sell it?
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vandamme

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New York
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2010 4:49:52 AM
At the time, people wouldn't pay $15,000 more for a car. Would you?
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mazdaboy

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Portland
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2010 3:10:01 AM
I missed this one, and they are acting like this is new technology. Shame, shame, shame....
[Edited by: mazdaboy at 7/30/2010 6:10:12 AM EST]
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nedthenanite

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Mississippi
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2010 11:03:00 PM
Funny thing is, there are some cars in Europe on sale now that get tantalizingly close to 80 mpg. Like 70-75 mpg. Close enough for government work, as they say.
They're not hybrids and they're not the size of a shopping cart. I think most are bigger than the smart car people in this country seem to love.
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TomJDriver

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London
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2010 10:34:50 PM
Yes I remember this.
Looks like a 1996 Contour but over twice the mileage.
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fuelconscious

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2010 9:56:26 PM
I wish I had the money to outbid everyone at this auction.
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mynt

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Ottawa
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2010 9:20:50 PM
better concept than those electrics that they wannna peddle...
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Huskersed

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2010 9:17:27 PM
Not bad at all back then we can build 80mpg Ford
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alterman156

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New York
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2010 8:12:06 PM
They should make an 80 MPG car available to the public. The car would be a great fuel saver and money saver.
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SBlouch

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San Antonio
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2010 5:29:46 PM
I always knew the auto makers could have produced more fuel efficient auto as I remember this. But oil was still cheap and there was no rush for the American auto makers to change and do better until they were forced too. They came up with many fuel efficient vehicles after they started to feel the pinch of higher oil prices.
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PathfinderSC

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South Carolina
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2010 3:35:53 PM
They all could build cars that would get better MPG.
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playtimeCLE

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2010 3:06:00 PM
Where were these car ideas when the gas prices went out of control a couple years ago? Just goes to show we have technology that people wont release because they think we wont buy it.
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CiVX

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Oakland
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2010 2:57:36 PM
Bout time where was ya in the 70's!
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